Johannes Vermeer's treatment of love distinguished him from his peers. The video posted on the church website ends. Feel free to add your own additions to the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Rule Book. The modern fundie bible is full of contradictions and lies. Dr. R has some real practical theology problems. If she doesnt approve of this, tough; she shouldve thought of that before she married you. Look at the Catholic ban on priestly marriage, and the pressures that creates. But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! The Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life puts IFB members at 2.5 percent of Americans. The Lordship controversy and misrepresenting the Lordship preachers. My question is: Are you judging all IFB pastors and deacons by the standards you kept for yourself in the pulpit for forty-five years? Twenty-one abuse allegations were uncovered exclusively by the Star-Telegram, and others were documented in criminal cases, lawsuits and news reports. It's just the nature of them I guess. To get up is to be on the firing line and get switched back down. They insisted upon that ignoble facade despite the too-clear harm it was causing. Still, Giovanelli found a soft landing at Immanuel Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, where he is an associate pastor and head of the churchs book publication arm. Thou shalt be baptized by full immersion in this particular denomination of church, preferably this specific church, otherwise it might have been a false baptism that didnt take. If you spend any time covering sexual abuse story, any belief that congregations are never complicit in abuse and cover-up goes evaporates quickly. Please be advised that this rulebook is subject to change at the whim of the pastor. It could be the case that Bishop Andonios is lying here. Thou shalt always obey the speed limit, EXCEPT when the Pastor says it is Gods will that thou shalt go 10-20 miles over the speed limit so as not to miss lunch at camp. Im still a believer but cringe when I hear someone try to say what is sin and what is not. Movement. But I find it believable (which is not to say that I believe it, if you appreciate the distinction). Here are the 5 key issues that have hurt the Independent Baptist world in some cases, as well as greatly damaging the lives of some believers: A Failure To Adequately Preach The Bible When our preaching goes backward, the whole apple cart rocks and soon turns over. Independent Baptists are not part of any denominational organization, such as the Southern Baptist Convention. I preached over 4,000 sermons. Way over the edge. Jerry Falwell, the founder of Liberty University, came out of this tradition, but he was quicklydisownedby his fellow separatist Baptists when he decided to get involved in politics. Much of what we think of as the religious right would fall into that murky space in between old-school fundamentalism and the mainstream evangelicalism of Billy Graham et. As a transgender woman, I find that interesting, to say the least! Like the millions of others around the country who need to read these stories, they wont be able to unless they subscribe to a newspaper hundreds of miles from where they live. Landmarkism began as a movement in the mid-1800's mainly in the Southern Baptist Convention. Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowships more common in the North as well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in the South Central Baptist Theological Seminary professor Kevin Baudertold Quick to Listenfor the CT podcasts explainer on such churches. It is sinful for a woman to dress in any way that might cause a man to spiritually stumble by having even the slightest lustful thought. Baptism therefore represents the Gospel, which consists of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Its a philosophy its flawed, said Stacey Shiflett, an independent fundamental Baptist pastor in Dundalk, Maryland. One of the hardest life lessons I ever had to learn is that in the main, people prefer to be deceived. Thou shalt not speak in Sunday morning service if thou be a woman, unless you are the soloist and you want to give thanks and praise to Jesus for the wonderful song. There's something going on that wasn't here before. Beside the fact that you were likely born into IFB and so never chose to believe anything about it one way or another, your allegiance to IFB means nothing more than that you love. or a year or whatever. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times Later that afternoon, thou shalt go to work. They preferred to remain ignorant of evidence suggesting that something in the air around the plant was giving them cancer. Educating children at home or in IFB K-12 schools is necessary in order to protect them from the knowledge and ways of a fallen and corrupt world. I surrendered to preach, and was called to the Lord's ministry as a result of growing up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. The Star-Telegram included in its count churches where alleged abusers had served before or after alleged abuse occurred because the allegations could affect the congregants. Thank the almighty for the military to fix that shiz, lol. And screw 'em if they do. I would not have returned a clergyman to his former parish after what transpired but out of pastoral sensitivity to the desires of the overwhelming numbers of parishioners who sought his return, he said. Thus the words "Independent" and "Fundamental . I remember thinking what an idiot he was. I was recently asked to write a few words of support and love for the members of two Facebook groups, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors and Do Right Hyles-Anderson. IFB takes the "I" in its title extremely seriously; they are nothing if not independent. The label can be used by a range of autonomous, Bible-believing Baptists (fundamentalbeing a reference to the core doctrines of the Christian faith). Golden State Baptist College - Is a ministry of North Valley Baptist Church of Santa Clara, California. Questions About Independent Fundamental Baptists, Leighton Flowers, & Justin Peters Right Response Ministries 36K subscribers Subscribe 10K views 1 month ago GEORGETOWN Can you name one thing. One may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with their doctrines, church polity, and especially their . The person should go to the pastor, and the pastor will talk to the offender. Truly horrifying. The philosophy is you dont air your dirty laundry in front of everyone. Get tough. While practices can vary from church to church, independent fundamental Baptists do share some core beliefs, according to Christianity Today: that the Bible is the divinely inspired and inerrant word of God, for example, and that people should use only the King James Version of the text.Independent fundamental Baptists refrain from engaging in pop culture and many also home-school their kids. Reached by phone, Giovanelli said he had no comment and hung up. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches believe that the authority to baptize was given to the first church, organized by our Savior. He alone is allowed to change his mind. Jesus gives his own list in the Sermon on the Mount and Matthew 24/25. KJV-onlyism is certainly not a core doctrine of the Christian faith for any Christian who doesnt speak English. Your reporters deserve better management than this. you're wrong!" It's chief spokesman was J.R. Graves (1820-1893) and other key early figures include A.C. Dayton (1813-1865) and J.M. A bit later, concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, it split away to join the GARB (the General Association of Regular Baptists no, really, thats a thing). Ugh. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. A world where you say what is and isn't good. Sarah Smith and the other reporters and editors who worked on this deserve great credit and gratitude. Meant to be taken literally, the KJV is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and the supreme and final authority in all things. Scripture alone. The reason why Im so fervent, so passionate about it this morning is because I relived all of those feelings of what its like to be abused and the one that does the abuse is the one that always comes out the other side smelling like a rose and goes down the road to another church so he can do it again to somebody else.. Some of the best godly preachers like Jonathan Edwards and Charles Haddon Spurgeon were Baptists. #1. Thou shalt leave tracts in various and sundry places: the aisles of Walmart, in library books, at the doctors office, so that all may know the Good News of the Gospel. The study of literature no longer animates students' minds and souls. Its been the M.O. In that case, thou shalt work on your bus route until 3 am Monday morning, then get your sorry, lazy ass ready for your theology classes at our bible college that morning. It has been redacted and edited into the simplified 1611 King James Bible (its not a version, versions are of Satan). Thousands have come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ because one man followed in obedience where the Lord led. Though not all in the movement look the same, the Duggars showcase several theological and cultural distinctives common among independent fundamental Baptists: adhering to strict biblical inerrancy, usually based exclusively on the King James Version (KJV); homeschooling; abstaining from pop culture as entertainment; and dressing modestly. What a list! The items you are questioning are not the "doctrine" of independent fundamental Baptists. But if you think most of the people in your church would do that, or stand by those who did, your optimism is unwarranted. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Thou shalt leave a tract in the restroom after thou hast used it. You're the power. My mom grew up with this rule but never was told why. So hard to tell if it is a cult. I would be more impressed if your god, who is supposed to be omnipotent, couldnt just save everyone. Their page says "Our church is a friendly fundamental Bible-believing Independent Baptist . And may you recognize your error while there is still time. By David J. Stewart. See her report here: Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse.. Finally, now, it's time for you to dance to your own song. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. They controlled the process except for the final approval. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. It is therefore literally true that God created the world in six 24-hour days; Satan is real, the enemy of God, and the instigator of all false religions; the theory of evolution is unscriptural and therefore without merit; hell is a real place where all who die without having accepted Christ as their Savior suffer consciously being roasted alive for eternity, and so on. This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. #1. https://www.nakedpastorstore.com/blogs/news/adoring-pastors. Thou wilt pledge money on the last Sunday evening of every month to the building fund even if you cant pay your rent or mortgage on the first. Part of HuffPost Religion. Dreherlives in Baton Rouge, La. Refusing to cooperate with other members in the Church. You could look into resolutions by Fundamental Baptist Fellowship International or World Congress of . Jesus gave us the command to preach the Gospel and also to baptize those who have believed on Jesus. Maybe so. Thou shalt not look at pornography, and if thou dost thou shalt delete thy browsing history so thy wife of thy youth dost not find it, and thou shalt confess thy sins at the alter on Sunday morning.Thou canst repeat this cycle each week for the lord hast made provision for modern man if he dost confess his sins before god each day and every Sunday. She actually got upset! The network of churches and schools has often. Are you saying God is a legalist? Thanks! For the larger child, a belt or larger tree branch is effective. That was weak (cupping ear)..congregation: AMEN (at top of lungs). By way of justifying infant "training" and the continued "submission of the will" of children, IFB parents point to these lines in The Book of Proverbs: "To Train Up a Child," by fundamentalist Christian minister Michael Pearl and his wife Debi, is very popular within the IFB. I've heard of Dan Souza, but that's about all. Pastors of large churches and leaders of fundamentalist institutions such as Bob Jones, John R. Rice, and Jack Hyles still identified with the label fundamentalist. This movement was characterized by a staunch commitment to biblical orthodoxy filteredthrough the King James Bible, an adherence to second-degree separation or that idea that Christians must separate themselves frombothunbelievers (the world)andfellow conservative Protestants who did not separate sufficiently enough from unbelievers (Billy Graham and the rest of the neo-evangelicals fell into this second category), and a propensity for strong white preachers who ran independent congregations that were not accountable to denominations. It started as part of the Northern Baptist convention but, concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, split away to join the Conservative Baptists. Both times, people knew about his would-be abusers behavior and did nothing to stop it. He is his own man and refuses to be tied down or corralled by anything. Preacherboys should watch it in the college gym; anywhere else is worldly. All of the above were part of the unwritten code at my Fundy church 40 years ago. 2.) Ernest Willis found guilty of raping teen Tina Anderson, a fellow church member. And there are Baptist ch. Not sure if they are trinitarian. Oh, as a new convert attending an Adventist college, I actually said, heck or darn around one of the older teachers (40 years ago). And hold him there until he is surrendered. They usually have a loose association with other Baptist churches, but they are self-governed, not governed by the association. Other than Toledo, the 419 area code is pretty rural. Any issues, even legal issues, go to the pastor first, not the police. Jessop is a former member of the FLDS (fundamentalist, polygamist Mormons) and her story has a lot of parallels with Zichterman's. I haven't read this particular FLDS memoir . By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. Amendment though shalt say amen during service but only if you are male. It was an independent church, and it was fundamentalist, and Baptist, but it was not an IFB independent fundamentalist Baptist church. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. However there has been quite a problem with some fundamental Baptists. Pastors think if they keep it on the down-low, it wont impact anyone. Thou shalt wear the sweatshirts & caps of your favorite basketball team; they are only evil & worldly if you choose to go to college there. God has greatly blessed this ministry, which now averages nearly 3,000 a week in attendance. Addendum: Thousand shalt not even THINK about piercing ANYTHING below the waste! Next time? More: Members instinctively go to the pastor first with problems, including those of a criminal nature. Bruce Gerencser, 65, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 44 years. He speaks for God, and God alone may judge him. Note how Jerry Falwell Jr. and Liberty University no longer identify as fundamentalist, but as evangelical and note how this assertion is accepted, unquestioned, by other evangelicals. At least three other teen girls would accuse Hyles of sexual misconduct, but he never faced charges or even sat for a police interview related to the accusations. I am far from perfect. I got a good laugh reading the list brought back some not so good memories from my time in a IFB church. The Problem Among Independent Baptists with the Gospel By TylerR Jan 25 2016 We've got to get more serious about the gospel, what it is and what we say that it is or what we will allow to be called the gospel. Thou shalt not molest children, and if ye do thou shalt confess it to the pastor so he can hide it from the police and threaten the congregation into silence. The one thing I do want to say for anyone just making their way out of the darkness of IFB is this: that you once so thoroughly bought into IFB is a sign of your strength, not your weakness. One alleged abuser went on to serve as an administrator in a Christian school in a different state, even after Shiflett warned the schools pastor. They might as well be Mormons.Sense they add their own rules and Bible.They are acting as a cult its not biblical.Gal1:8 They are teaching false teachings,And not the doctrines of the Bible.They are Just adding their own rules. God changes his mind several times in the Bible. Could someone please explain? Single. Thou shalt not eat at a restaurant on Sunday. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination paints a picture of God also as one who is a military leader, unhappy with all the disobedience happening among his people and patiently waiting for when he can punish us and correct our deviant behavior. (3) Megachurch leaders face the ordinary temptations but also extraordinary pressure to cover up problems, knowing that a sniff of scandal will summon packs of critical reporters. They used you as fodder in the war between themselves and everything they fear. Much of this movement was a response to the so-called neo-evangelical movement. Memo to Kathy: fuck off. Every abortion, without exception, is murder. Autonomy of local churches: each church is independent. Young-earth creationism, premillennial dispensationalism, and fervent support for segregation are also not core doctrines that could be found among Christians before the 19th century or anywhere outside of IFBs parochial American context. They sent their kids to Bob Jones and Pensacola the only choices permitted to them. Im sure that if your God is all about love and grace he will know our hearts better than you and will fully understand in his 3-omni way. This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. This list also sounds similar to what Adventists practiced. Sometimes alternatives have to be sought. Memo to former Evangelicals: be like Kathy. My wife did not waste time finding a cure. There are other problems among fundamentalist Baptists as well as Homophobia : "I told her that I was raped and how violent it was and how I was terrified it would happen again. If your neighbor saw you leaving the Cinemaplex, he wouldnt know what movie you had watched, leading him to have questions about your faith. 3. Blockbuster report about systemic sex crimes in ultra-conservative Protestant churches. When it is obvious he is totally broken, she will hand him the rag and very calmly say, "Johnny, clean up your mess.". The number of articles in the multi-part series exceeds the number of free articles non-subscribers are permitted to read each month. The Baptist church started in the 17th century in America. I started listening to country music, drinking beer, watching movies, and eventually joined the military. In your cynical statement about the seemingly unseen book of rules, you failed to mention that they ultimately came from a God who loves you, and has your best interest at heart. Independent Baptist Churches believe the following "Independent Baptist Distinctives": 1. The network of churches and schools has often covered up the crimes and helped relocate the offenders, an eight-month Star-Telegram investigation has found. People do not like to be made to confront ugly things. The writings that I've read from former IFBs are some of the strongest testimonies to the strength and decency of the human spirit I've ever come across. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram has done some very impressive and important reporting in its long special report on sexual abuse and cover-ups in independent fundamental Baptist churches across the country. Each IFB church is wholly autonomous and free from any outside governance. That will needs to be eliminated, since wherever human will is God's will cannot be. Unlike the Catholic Church, the fundamental Baptist church considers itself to be made up of independent entities. Remove that variable from the equation and youll never arrive at the form or content of IFB fundamentalism as it currently exists. Thou shalt believe in pre-millennial rapture unless your pastor believes in post-millennial rapture. For their own dark reasons they kept that wicked dance going. Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear shall be amended as follows: WOMEN ONLY shall be permitted no more than one piercing in the earlobe of each ear. But evangelicals should recognize that clerical sex abuse is widespread, and some evangelical and fundamentalist churches do cover up problems and pass them on to others. You were right; they were wrong; and no sane person in the world would say otherwise. Dispensationalism is common among Independent Baptists. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. On the bare legs or bottom, switch him eight or ten licks; then, while waiting for the pain to subside, speak calm words of rebuke. You cant question your leaders, Hardy said. More: Nevertheless, [Bishop] Andonios [Chancellor of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese] said he decided to reinstate [Father Gerasimos] Makris because parishioners demanded it. (The mind of an 18 year old girl that had been sort of bad with many boys in high school, shame on me) Then Hyles would yell from the pulpit that If the barn needed paintingand the men would hoopla with their Bibles waving in the air. If fundies really understood this, it would probably scare the shit out of them. You dont report to police because the pastor is the ultimate authority, not the government.. The King James Version is the only true Word of God; all other translations of the Bible are the work of the devil. Thou shalt not ever drink alcohol, unless its done in secret and confessed as sin on Sunday. The SBC has hit the default button and returned to 1959. You loved when you had no more love to give. [8] They refuse any form of ecclesial authority other than that of the local church. He will kick you out of church and put you on church discipline for 6 months, after which you will be restored as a brother. Brightseat Rd + Third St. $43,000 - $55,000 a year. 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Dont Dress Like a Whore if You Dont Want to Get Sexually Assaulted Says Lori Alexander, Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager, Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman, Thou shalt obey your parents at all times, Thou shalt obey the police and government unless the pastor says it is a sin against God to do so, Thou shalt give a faith promise missionary offering, Thou give an offering any time the pastor says God is saying to collect a special offering, Thou shalt attend church every time the doors are open, Thou shalt pray for every meal, but ice cream at Dairy Queen after church requires no prayer, Thou shalt only use the King James Bible 1611 edition which is really the 1769 revision, Thou shalt only use the Scofield King James Bible, Thou shalt not have long hair (over your ears, collar) if you are a man, Thou shalt not have a block cut hairstyle if you are a man, Thou shalt not have facial hair if you are a man, but if you are a woman you can have facial hair, Thou shalt not have tattoos unless you have prison tats from your life before Christ, Thou shalt not take the hem out of your Levi jeans or alter your clothing in any way so that you look worldly, Thou shalt not wear pants (britches) if you are a woman, Thou shalt not wear shorts, but a woman can wear Baptist shorts also known as culottes, Thou shalt not expose any flesh if you are a woman, especially your thighs, breasts, or back, Thou shalt only wear dresses with hemlines below the knees if you are a woman, Thou shalt not have any physical contact with the opposite sex if you are unmarried, Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear if you are a woman, Thou shalt not pierce any body part except your ear, and then only if you are a woman, Thou shalt not watch TV, but if you are a carnal Christian and must watch TV thou shalt only watch, Thou shalt not go to the movie theater, but using streaming services is okay, Thou shalt always have tracts in your shirt pocket or purse, ready to evangelize at a moments notice, Thou shalt drive a car with church advertising stickers, IFB cliches, or Bible verses attached to the bumper, Thou shalt park down the street when visiting the local strip club or whore house lest the pastor know you are there and stay away, Thou shalt not listen to secular music, especially rock music, which is from the pit of hell, Thou shalt not listen to contemporary Christian music (CCM), Thou shalt not drink fermented alcohol after all, Jesus drank Welchs grape juice, Thou shalt not cuss, but saying darn, shoot, crap, freaking, and fudge are okay, Thou shalt not date non-Independent Baptist girls or boys, Thou shalt not have any non-Independent Baptist friends, Thou shalt home school your children or send them to a Christian school, Thou shalt only read pastor-approved Christian books, Thou shalt only believe what the pastor says you are to believe, Thou shalt say you have victory over sin, even if you are lying, Thou shalt adhere to the perception is reality rule, Thou shalt send your kids to the same Christian college the pastor went to, Thou shalt leave the church if you commit adultery, get a divorce, or get pregnant outside of marriage, Thou shalt believe everything the pastor says even when you are certain he is lying, speaking evangelistically, or embellishing his illustrations, Thou shalt wear a bra if you are a woman, and it can only be a white, underwire bra, Thou shalt not mix bathe (Baptist for swimming with the opposite sex), Thou shalt not go to amusement parks unless the youth group is going, Thou shalt not show emotion unless praising Jesus from 10:00 am to noon on Sunday or giving a testimony during Sunday evening service, Thou shalt say AMEN during at the appropriate time during the pastors sermon, especially when he shouts, pounds the pulpit, or performs gymnastics, Thou shalt not be angry even though the pastor is allowed to be angry, but thats because his anger is righteous anger, Thou shalt be for what the pastor is for and against what the pastor is against, because if you dont, a bear might come out of the woods and eat you, Thou shalt ignore any science that contradicts the Bible, Thou shalt never try to fix your own problems because the pastor is the official fixer of all problems, Thou shalt takes notes on the sermon even if the rabbit wanders five miles off the trail or the sermon is incoherent, Thou shalt always tell the pastor what a wonderful sermon he preached, even when you have no idea what he was talking about, Thou shalt always tell Sister Bertha what a wonderful job she did with her off-key rendition of, Thou shalt not use canned (taped) music for music specials.
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