Where did you find this information? King is one of the most famous people with this surname. The likelihood, if you are Irish, or of African descent to be involved with any of this is smaller than you think. There were black slave owners as well, so to say that you doubt that they were slaves because such and such was an Irish slave owner is crazy. Fourth, historically the highest amount of interethnic marriage between two ethnic groups post civil war are Irish and African. They fought their fellow Irishmen in the Confederate army who had similiar motivations. Were they Anglo-Irish landlords? Maybe wealthy Irish werent common, but they they did exist. The Irish may have been treated like shit way back when, but nobody sold even one of them. The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. We dont really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? Why would you even mention those in the same breath? Many families, however, integrated into Gaelic society and changed their Norman name to Gaelic and then Anglo equivalents: the Powers, the Fitzpatricks, Fitzgeralds, Devereux, Redmonds. How about the Hellenic slaves in Sparta who were not only slaves but hunted and killed by Spartans in training. Maybe its time we stop fighting with each other and start learning from each other? One of the most famous Johnstons is American actress Kristen Johnston. This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. When enslaving whites/Christians became illegal in the U.S., the newly released white indentured servants became crackers/overseers and many became slave owners themselves. That has not changed and the enslavement of the poor is as relevant today as it was at any other time in history. Read up on the potato famine. The Counter-Revolution of 1776: slave resistance and the origins of the United States of America. And yes, it is as long as its title.Im still trying to wade through it. Did you assume the Irish always spoke English? I assumed it had transferred from plantation owner to slave but instead it seems like it transferred from Irish slave to African slave. Prisoners whether for rebellion or minor offenses ended up in service. The Irish were treated HORRIBLY, often just as horribly as Africansbut not always. Irish family names can tell stories, too. There is a very large difference between the two terms and are often conflated. Certainly not the native potato-eating Catholic tenant farmers with no inheritance. The article failed to explain that. Thus leaving no question that they were property and not human in the eyes of planters, The Irish already had last names in English, most Irish names are now written in English. http://www.irelandseye.com/irish/traditional/names/first/dudley.shtm, The name Dudley in Ireland is often of immigrant origin having been introduced into Ulster Province by settlers from England and Scotland, especially during the seventeenth century. So whats my point; well its not to minimize the history of Black slaves. Well than do research and prove yourself right instead of arguing out of not knowing. By calling yourself African-American you are still claiming to come from two so-called white men. In 1840 there were 196 Blake families living in Maine. 8. As far as Slavery in jail(BS) They can do their time sitting in their cells doing nothing or they can work to earn money for the commissary or to help pay money they owe to the people or places on which they committed their crimes. THE MYTH OF IRISH SLAVERY is A LIE The tale of the Irish slaves is rooted in a false conflation of indentured servitude and chattel slavery. The Irish are ignorant beasts of the field!!!! Blog where a high school dropout or even a liam hogan can go and change irish slavery to irish indentured servitude on a daily basis lolto those who used him as your source grow up!!!!!! Im other words,. Protestants believed that all Races came from one source. If you want to refute the facts surrounding Cromwells conquest of Ireland, Irish rebel imprisonment, British penal system convictions, Barbary slave trade, and raids on mainland coastal Europe and the British Isles Im interested to review your scholarly work. This is a human issue, not a race one. I would love to know who you are to me , I want to know my roots from the mother of all mothers Africa .The Carrolls missing abd forgotten children.. Wrong. Oh my, I never heard about this. For decades Black people were not allowed to own property in the affluent areas and could only own property in poorer areas. This is a damn sight different than chattel slavery. One of the most famous people with the surname MacDonald is singer-songwriter Amy MacDonald. But have you ever stopped to think about where it originates? Copyright 2023 Irish Studio LLC All rights reserved. Where they were made to feel unwelcome, they headed for the hills, which is why we have the Appalachian populations, and others like them, populating those hills to this day. She was so angry, thats not what Jesus looks like, so I said how do you know,? They got to keep their last names because they were easy to pronounce.. Its common sense guys. It is also fascinating to see that American society changed its caste system from strictly class based to skin based in just a couple of centuries. or any other colour or race, you just needed to be POOR. X-Factor winner Shane Ward is one of the most well-known Wards. Another name, OGallchobhair, which is the Irish version of the popular name Gallagher, means foreign help. Am Afro-American. The Vikings were often referred to as the "dark invaders" or "black foreigners." Notable OSheas include actor Milo OShea and singer-songwriter Mark OShea. I always wondered why a lot of families there had Irish last names (Riley, Dubbery etc.) you go to an irish catholic area and you will see paintings of nelson mandela on the walls and other people we support the oppressed always have. When such a small society is reduced in such a short time by nearly half (during the famine) theres a whole host of socio-phycological problems that ensue, one youll be familiar with we often make light of now a days when it comes to The Irish is: alcoholism, but also extreme poverty, broken families, etc, which Im sure you can relate with as a member of the African American community in the United States am I right? Famous Dalys include American actress Tyne Daly, television host Carson Daly, and actress and TV personality Tess Daly. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.amp.html. I read How the Irish Became White. Oliver Cromwell lived in Henry Tudors time around 1536 when Anne Boleyn was beheaded. No last names are listed as none were given. in addition, when i go back as far as i could to the 1800s, i have relatives still with Irish and Scot last names so thats why I dont think this article is entirely accurate about the last names. Its like saying, Im personally offended by you not because of your genetics but because of your race!. If you didnt have money you had nothing. Apparently its perfectly OK to disparage the Irish but dont make any bigoted remarks that could be interpreted as racist. The latter he did not. I think you should be careful in your condemnation of what you apparently arent aware of, Gaelic Catholic culture of Ireland was subjected to English Protestant Supremacy, and Penal Laws imposed by the English Parliamentarian Cromwell in his brutal conquest of Ireland saw to it that the Gaelic Catholic culture be prohibited. Famous people with the surname OBrien include comedian Conan OBrien, actor Dylan OBrien, and guitarist Pat OBrien. And I would love to see references that prove that White Irish people were less expensive to purchase than African slaves. Lets recall the words of Dr. King: .Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last! . My grandparent on my mothers side has an Irish maiden name and said her mother married twice, both times to Murphies. The Irish are Iber-ish (Hebrew man) One of the most famous McLoughlins is author and television presenter Coleen Rooney (neMcLoughlin). The only qualifying factor is; if its dehumanizing and/oppressive then its wrong! We should remember this and not let one injustice isnt used to counter the other. Top 100 Irish surnames 1. The South seceded from the Union because they wanted to keep their slaves that provided them with human field animals, human sex toys and the freedom to do anything they wanted with their human property. It means "little dark one" [4] or "little dark-haired one", produced by appending a diminutive suffix to ciar ("black", "dark"). Disgusting lies like this are akin to Holocaust Denial, and its no surprise that one of the authors circulating this myth, Michael Hoffman, is in fact an outspoken Holocaust Denier. The potato blight which destroyed the main source of sustenance turned the vital food black. Famous owners of the name include actresses Debby Ryan and Meg Ryan, and comedian Katherine Ryan. One issue was the Federal Government vs Individual States rights. This entire article reads like those oh-so-learned-sounding pieces that explain why women are simply not suited to traditionally male jobs, or why Black Americans by design and selection are simply not suitable for the sciences or for generic corporate America, and should stick to sports and physical labor. In fact, you could make the argument the latter point is a bigoted racist statement. If they committed a crime that warranted jail time, they deserved the sentence. and; The byword African-American was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black leaders a Jesse Jackson. American football quarterback Tom Brady is the most famous person with the name Brady. British Penal Code offenders, Irish Rebels and, the destitute hardly have the power to enter into voluntary servitude (whether some poor actually did or not), it would be like calling your dog a voluntary pet. I think the Scots are the OMallys and OConners and the like.. Kelly is Scotland argyle or Ayrshire area originated there just like Kyle does. Clearly this makes it a Black vs White issue. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. The theory that the "Black Irish" are descendants of any small foreign group that integrated with the Irish and survived is unlikely. Meaning: Son of the blacksmith. Remember one thing and one thing only..irish slavery did happen in the Americas and in the West Indies! Each induvial from different areas of the continent have unique differences. Always a good idea not to counter generalizations with more generalizations and no sources. Also, many black women were impregnated on the slave ships and were pregnant by the time they reached the Americas. Most of these people in america are full of hate poisoned by their governments through their food, water and air. Your email address will not be published. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved.. According to reports from the Central Statistics Office, Murphy is the most popular last name in Ireland. Ive called for sources supporting the article although I am not entirely in disagreement with it, Ive provided a source on Irish indentured *slaves in this discussion that doesnt fit with your narrative of voluntary service. Excellent writing and a great read. They were opposed by the native Irish (as they still are today), and as compensation given land and status in the New World. It is commonly found in County Tipperary and neighbouring counties. Not just the Irish. Whether you think indentured servitude and slavery are the same is a matter of semantics, but it was on no way even close to the chattel slavery faced by blacks. They are to be found mostly in Northern Ireland Genealogy, but also in some neighbouring parts of the Ireland Genealogy particularly County Donegal. Irish ancestry stretches to the far reaches of the globe. Its a circular statement! Ireland Before You Die (IB4UD) is the biggest Irish travel and culture website. The Black men were getting all the women. Unlike African slavery ,the Irishs story was not widely publicised. A second article. This is an ignorant recitation of a much more complicated history than Chloe suggest. Slavery is still happening today and not prevailing with just Blacks. Slavery was a terrible condition to place on any people. The word 'Cearmaid' comes from Old Irish and is probably a combination of 'ciar' (black) and 'madra' (dog), thus meaning a 'black dog.' 23. If you cant even get that right!!!! People dont make it to age 40 there. I am in my late 40s. I will just say that both existed and as such proves that anyone who is racist and thinks they are justified in being racist is wrong because even with differences of culture, tradition and society all people are the same and we should all treat each other equally and with equal respect. To doubt that the Irish could be treated worse and be so adamant about it because of what you have been told your whole life makes you a bigot! Natives did not participate in the slave trade. go and read about cromwell in ireland. 2) Even if it were 100,000 of them (which it wasnt) , it is already documented that many of them were indentured servants-not slaves and theres a huge difference! The defeat of the Vikings at the Battle of Clontarf in the year 1014 by Brian Boru marked the end of the struggle with the invaders and saw the subsequent integration of the Vikings into Irish society. I assume many of the ones the worked side by side with the Irish slaves used their last name in hopes of not being made to take the slave owners name. (And, yes, it is a fact that that term, indentured servitude, was mostly just used as a polite term for *slightly* less brutal slavery from which there was actually hope of escape.). Second, there was intermarriage in the caribbean with descendents from the cromwellian slave trade of the Irish and African slaves. My ancestors were lucky to survive this part of history. Could the Irish in specific have something to do with what the most High is doing in (phisical) (black) Israel? The black people of today are not harmed by the slavery of decades ago any more than I (an Irish-American) or any other Irishmen are. I cannot speak for what may have happened in America and it is true that we Irish dont suffer from racism in this day and age. The Surname is MAY and the earliest records indicate1704 in the US. If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. Cole Continued. Carran A spelling variant of Curran, this Irish surname is an anglicized form of ' Corraidhin' referring to 'descendant of Corraidhin.' The word Corraidhin is derived from 'Corradh' which means 'little spear.' 10. Doyle is one of the most common surnames in County Mayo. They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. It continues in use. Not only are the facts part of the story but so is the comparison. In the 1940s what were the Jews in Germany? The phrase "Black Irish" has been in use for hundreds of years, and several brands of Irish whiskey. that came out of these early times. I added the Facebook icon to my blog so you can share the link. The origin of Irish sounding names in America comes from four places. Chances are, you can find her drinking coffee in some hidden gem cafe in Dublin, planning her next big trip. The name Gallagher is "O Gallchobhair" which translates as "foreign help." Unlike Africans, Irish indentured servants could buy their way out of slavery. History is only created in the past . The Iber inhabited Spain/Portugal which they named after themselves, the Iberian Peninsular, they were later chased out by barbarians into a new land they also named after themselves, Hibernia (Literally the land of the Hebrews) which is Ireland. Here is an article written by 3 people: Liam Hogan, an independent scholar and librarian, Laura McAtackney, an associate professor in sustainable heritage management (archaeology) at rhus University, Denmark, and Matthew Connor Reilly, a postdoctoral fellow in archaeology and the ancient world at Brown University. This is BS. Remember England was also enslaved by the Romans. Comedian Frankie Boyle, as well as musician Susan Boyle, are two of the most well known Boyles. To answer the question that is proposed in the headline, it was primarily due to Irish slave masters and testing the Y chromosome provides evidence of this. That is the first recorded slave in the colonies. Black Surname Meaning Black is a Scottish surname primarily. The term cracker refers to a poor white overseer. Extract from the book, A Journey from Bridgetown to Belfast It is a shallow attempt and more nonsense than anything. http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=dudley, Claims its origins are Anglo-Saxon name associated with Worcestershire, England: Instead of using the word slaves, they were paid $per head and this made their enslavement different from that of blacks,so they became Indentured servants so were..the Asians mostly Indians..all the Mcdonald McCain McCoy all the Mc are Scottish ..to increased the whites population they send debtors ,who couldnt pay what they owe, and repeat criminals , the later date up to 1918 children were removed from orphanages from all across England. This is how many other current events were going at the time, that is, not in the favor of the south. I was raised a Catholic.. however one day in cadycissim the nuns instructions were to draw Jesus as we seen him in our eyes, Simple one would think , were talking 4th grade ! I would love to know more, this has opened a window in my life. good reply. Again , please dont source liam hogan lol haha, he is a librarian.not a historian!!!!! Other theories suggest that the term Black Irish results from Irish immigrants. Still, you probably ask your colleague or friend its meaning, and theyre likely to draw a blank. If youd like to learn more about my opinions on indentured servants Ive provided some explanation and sources on this tread in several replies too. It is claimed that the Spanish married into Irish society and created a new class of Irish who were immediately recognizable by their dark hair and complexion. Over centuries, as groups arrived and fled, ancient Ireland began to take shape. And you never were shipped anywhere. But why are these fanatics so triggered and butthurt about this, why they try to deny this crime so obsessively? And dont realise you are all from the one race- the human race. I have always found that a fascinating sociological subject, whether its worthy of study is doubtful. Its my understanding that there are still people enslaved, although it is done secretly, and/or the laws are manipulated to accommodate itbut its still happening, yet today. The Irish landowners where Protestant and therefore considered British. Not if the mother were a prostitute and father disappeared. Not allowed to marry in Geirgia. And the traditional double-standard was upheld even there, because as long as it was circumspect and everyone turned a blind eye, it was still common, un-punished behavior for White males to rape or copulate with African females, but a blasphemous abomination for a white woman to voluntarily have relations with an African man, and could result in death for both. I always wondered why so many African Americans had the same last name as I did when I was single. The Blake family name was found in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Scotland between 1840 and 1920. And he made a profit out of it. Well never know for sure. Wow! [] Source: How Blacks have Irish Last Names []. Indentured servitude did not last as long as or was as vast as outright chattel race based life long slavery in America. The byword "African-American" was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black "leaders" a Jesse Jackson. However Middle English blac also meant 'pale wan' a reflex of Old English blc 'pale white' with a shortened vowel. The first slave owner in the colonies was Anthony Johnson, a black African. Irish slavery is *not* a myth, nor is it a lie. Ill make no apologies for White supremacy. Dirst the Spaniards/Portuguese outlawed enslaving Christians long before British had slaves in the Americas. That is why African Americans carry Irish surnames today. Did they live off the land, eat a lot of potatoes? What a lot of people dont know is that Irish were slaves too, hundreds of thousands were sent to work in the West Indies and they blended with the black slaves thus we have Irish names like McFadden, McDonalds, etc. This whole conversion of who had it worse is nonsensical. You are so wrong common sense should tell you how did all colors come from 2 people. This reveals another cruel and inhumane treatment of the human family towards each other. But even also his own people as a mere result of the kind of things that happen when the wicked are in rule? And so white planters were secured in their thinking that slaves were disposable because they could easily be created. The Huns and Mongols did it. @wolfsilveroak I suggest you re-read the book. I always thought that the Jamaican dialect sounded like a version of an Irish dialect. But you will find out the truth when JESUS comes back to reign for a thousand years to teach his people the truth, because they have been believing a lie about a rapture theory. These include Gaelic Irish, Cambro-Norman, and Anglo-Irish last names. In the cases of non-English origin, the surname is likely to be an Anglicisation. My grandmother was an indentured servant who came over here from Ireland to work with an English family later on my grandfather saw her or met her and decided to purchase her freedom from that English family so she so she was actually a slave / indentured servant herself, I was under the impressionthat the Irish came to America as indenture slaves. Everyone knows a mulatto slave is more than a pure irish slave or pure African slave!!!!!! Have you met Jesus . If the Irish were the easiest way to fill the positions needed to produce agricultural quotas then they would be used. Is what happend to the Irish also a fulfillment of prophecy? I got it on Amazon..there is a complete history of the Irish Slave trade. The term is commonly used to describe people of Irish origin who have dark features, black hair, a dark complexion and dark eyes. Its about connecting the dots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVhUQXElTE. Ryan Fitzpatrick, NFL quarterback, was named the fifth smartest athlete in sports by Sporting News in 2010. Case and point, to her its all about race. Sell whatever lies you like, but if you think the Irish were not deeply involved in some of the fiercest fighting of The Civil War (for both sides), then why would any other opinion you hold be deemed worthy of merit? Smith is one of the most common surnames across the world with well known Smiths such as actor Will Smith, actress Maggie Smith, and singer-songwriter Patti Smith all having the popular Irish surname. People, do your google search before you believe nonsense. Think about their rage The fighting irish especially 100 years ago you wouldnt have not one Irishman admitting they were ever slaves ( they would talk about it amongst themselves, but never with outsiders whom werent real irish. The only major distinction was that these slaves were not being exported outside of their continent likened unto cargo as they were in the African Slave trade. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. Have you heard of people of Irish descent as "Black Irish.". Thank you. Copyright 2019 - 2023 Ireland Before You Die | Trading under, THE BLACK IRISH: Who were they? There are absolutely no records of this crap, only modern lore that is bandied about as long lost truths. The predominant slave owners were not Irish. The Irish language was nearly extinct and was only spoken in very remote parts of the country for a long period of time. Blacks do not collectively own a patent on cruel slavery.
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