People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. We share your golf passion. The attention to detail from Bob Vokey is extraordinary and you can feel the change in strike as you try many different heads. One suggestion could be to setup course length based on club speed and optimal driver efficiency. The fairways where I play are very firm and I get a fair amount of roll. Its important for me to have a 58 degree that works first and foremost in a bunker and then to chip with, because I use my 52 to chip with more often than not as I like to see the ball on the ground and rolling towards the hole so it has a chance of dropping in. I suppose you have the biggest and fastest car as well ? I already use the SM8s and having seen the drop off in spin and different performance of my swing (I am less steep at impact these days) I will be changing wedges. The pros, like the rest of us, will be hitting a driver as far as they can 99% of the time but when it comes to their 3-wood, 5-wood and hybrids they can be using those clubs off the tee and for approach shots and will not always be aiming for their maximum yardage with those clubs. With a collection of prestigious wins, including the 2017 FedExCup, 2017 PGA Championship, 2021 PLAYERS and 2022 PGA Championship, Justin Thomas is known to many as a celebrated professional on the PGA TOUR. http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfequipment/golf-launch-monitor.php, Short hitter compared to the average WRXer. This is something Im finding out at a 14 handicap. x]I]618nI9^R? [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X, 3-wood: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus (15 degrees @ 14) Yes, typically very short drivers of the ball are better iron players or wedge players. Scotty Cameron SS Newport Beach w/ UST Frequency Filter and Rosemark Thorn 1.52 grip. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. And also wondering how LPGA fits into this chart. How to Hit Massive Drives! When you watch the PGA Tour or any major championship on TV it is hard not to notice how far pro golfers hit the ball. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] Ever found a yardage you like? The AMA isnt going to be achieving this max theoretical 255 yard drive very often. Items sent in without return postage will not be returned. I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. Carry Distance 302.9 For years, Justin has quietly used his fame and financial wherewithal to help many. Please have a look at the TrackMan locator at this link; https://mytrackman.com/public/locator, Kind regards Niklas Bergdahl Support Manager. [url="http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfequipment/golf-launch-monitor.php"]http://www.rotaryswinch-monitor.php[/url] I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. 716MB (5-PW)- DG S400 But he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. Progressive Centre of Gravity - Maintaining the lower CG in the stronger lofts, while raising CG even further in the more lofted clubs. Based on the Trackman, the fitter's recommendation was a 910 D3, 7.5 loft, and a Graphite Design Tour AD DI 8X. Mr Vokey has listened and gone on to design a wedge with the feedback of those players in mind. The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. Justin Thomas and Excel Sports Management are not responsible for lost, stolen or damaged items. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. It's a pretty common way to play the game and it helps the scoring aspect of your game tremendously. Thanks! First of all, I would always encourage any golfer to get custom fitted for Titleist Vokey wedges because the loft/bounce/grind chart can be very confusing. The following graph shows the distribution of AMA Driver club speeds. They hit 4-irons 208 yards and 5-irons 199 yards on average. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high Since SM6 Vokeys have evolved subtly to be exactly what tour players want. [/quote] I guess what Im saying is if you dont hit the ball straight consistently and you dont make good, clean contact consistently, it would be silly to focus on things like swing speed/distance. I feel like a lot of AMs sacrifice strike for the extra 1-2 mph which ultimately leads to less distance. Mike Austin Swing: When Does the Release Start? Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Can trackman info like the dispersion plot data be projected over a course layout? Either way I don't care. Once again Vokey customise their wedges even in the grooves. [/quote] Have a look at his driver and 6 Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high Bob Vokey makes the best wedges for the best players in the world on behalf of Titleist. Have a look at his driver and 6 iron swing, incl. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. Nothing feels better than a Vokey, theyre silky smooth and with the right setup just slide under the ball. Golf Balls are a Problem, Most Popular Driver on LPGA Tour? In truth, the vast majority of golfers are playing from tees that are too long based on their club speed and skill level. I am writing a dissertation at university and was wondering how you got all your data. Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed? You can watch my full review via the Golfalot YouTube channel here: If you like what you see, please make sure you SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel to see all Golfalot video reviews and features first. Does Trackman update this data each year? Lets go one step further and use the TrackMan Combine data to see what kind of proximity to hole the AMA will be able to achieve at the various approach distances. [quote name='xmanhockey7' timestamp='1364353356' post='6703825'] God how I loved playing golf. Yet I hit my driver 230 yards to what they say is average, 214. Once AMA understands the likely outcomes for various shots, then he can most effectively implement course strategy for the benefit of improving his golf performance. Justin credits his success on the PGA TOUR to a childhood full of direction, support, and love. In other words the distance from where they hit the ball to the point of impact on the ground. The longest player hits it 320 yards 52* & 58* Callaway MD2 // S-300 This analysis seems to be for elite athletes. Top 50 Pros Analysis. Do you suppose my distance is bs? The fairways where I play are very firm and I get a fair amount of roll. I also shot 86. Does anyone know any of Tiger Woods Trackman data either pitching, irons, 3woods or driver? The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. 46 to 54 degree heads have narrower and deeper grooves as these are used more in fuller shots with greater swing/ball speed. I wonder what his user name is on WRX.. Spin: 3811. Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. [/quote] Upload or insert images from URL. Or when hazards are present, it may be even wiser to aim for the opposite edge of the green. This course setup for the AMA is assuming a perfectly optimal drive by the golfer so in theory 395 yards would be a maximum length for the AMA based on 50% GIR. Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ [] Thomas, who was born and raised in Goshen, KY, played collegiate golf for the Alabama Crimson Tide. Lj\gUk':Q9d P\Ko?#sU;:MRk;'FTz![]wJQRL/"&Xp]q%F"S4y_fY;<5PemA,YosVrs>l6:cc Circa62, Tiger also ranks 125th on tour in total driving efficiency. I bet your average golfer on your average course doesnt hit more than 160-175. It sounds like Sophie has found her new fairway wood Titleist's brand new fairway model is seriously hot, New HydraZip face provides 43% more spin in wet conditions. [/quote] More photos from the event here. The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. also his AoD on the stinger. Stay up to date and receive free notifications of new posts by email. |K_ %E_{/{5* Bx2 @ xM6#N This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Ive tried this with many people and they shoot about their handicap. 915 FD [/quote] Obviously not. I know a 47 year old who played d1 golf hits nothing but trap draws hits 8 irons 190. Distance is only a big deal to those who don't have it These 23 heads are available in three finishes: Jet Black, Tour Chrome and Brushed Steel. Knowing what club to hit based on distance and the safest place to aim based on dispersion tendencies will undoubtedly benefit the golfer. PGA Tour players hit their driver a total of 296.6 yards on average with a carry distance of 284.3 yards according to official 2022 Shotlink data. The Fairway Woods Used by the Top 100 PGA Tour Pros, What Irons Do the Pros Use? Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom, 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) And this is about DJs average big drive when he swings harder, at around 125 mph. My time spent on the driving range tells me there are a lot of guys hitting 100 yards, 125, 150, 175a few hitting 190.and an even smaller number hitting over 200. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! I would guess those numbers are pretty much all-out, perfect contact, carry distances. I feel pretty confidant in saying that those aren't his stoc I have a terrible slice that knocks A LOT of yards off of my drive. My average club separation is about 15 yards. The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. BALL; Chrome Soft X. I also shot 86. Im a 9 handicap wanting to get into the low single digits. On average, all of the projected distances were 50-70 yards further without the slice. Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: Before it is assumed that the AMA should simply club up, actual distances with each club should be determined. But if you can hit it 275 on your home muni track, that is at least 290 on a tour track with manicured fairways and perfect level tee boxes to hit from. The following graph shows the distribution of AMA Driver club speeds. Couldn't of said it any better myself. You can see the fuller head at the top of the toe in the lob wedges when the clubs are aligned next to each other, but you can only slightly notice a change in shape at address. A former tour pro told me he hit a tree branch off the tee that knocked his ball down, and it affected his average for the whole year by 15 yards. 5 Testers Needed! Web27K views, 94 likes, 1 loves, 33 comments, 13 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from TrackMan: Congratulations to Justin Thomas, winning the CJ Cup! Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high But then on the next hole when they come back down the hill with the wind behind them, they all go 340. To make such large scale improvements, we must first better understand the patientin order to diagnose the problems. In the following table the list shows how far a selection of PGA and LPGA Tour pros hit their 3-wood, 5-wood and hybrid clubs. You will probably pick up that I gravitate towards the technical aspects of most things I do. wrong? [/quote] Maybe 126 or 127. I don't play professional golf. Am I as good as tour pro? Justins interest in the military was inspired by some of the men and women in uniform he has met over the years. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Thanks to this impressive article, they will help more and more those who want to play golf. [/color] Vokeys are no doubt aspirational golf clubs, you are viewed as a knowledgeable and better golfer if you have these in the bag. It's good for some laughs. Lets consider the (average) approach shot distance that the AMA will have on an average par 4. I feel like Seve in the sand these days which is never a bad thing. Ball Speed 176.38 I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Hitting long irons or hybrids into all of the par 4s does not set the AMA up for an enjoyable day on the golf course. You can post now and register later. The following chart shows average handicap versus average club speed. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] Your email address will not be published. Milled grooves - SM9 sees Titleist use a new saw to cut their grooves, instead of stamping them onto the face. You could hear the thump and it was relentless in its consistency. For example, based on the average club speed of the AMA (93.4 mph) he should be able to hit his driver 255 yards (assuming certain ground conditions). [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Average Distance - 302 yards[/background][/size][/color] I appreciate your thoughts, great article. I shared the dispersion plot with our local club committee who are thinking of installing trackman after redeveloping several holes, and was asked questions along these lines: 1. Or Fox Hollow in Baltimore? [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364414933' post='6708795'] Thomas is also only 1 of 6 players in PGA Tour history with 15 victories and 2 Majors before his 30th birthday, joining Jack Nicklaus, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Rory McIlroy and Tiger Woods. I know I hit the ball a long way though. Mike Austins Secret Release Move to Multiply Your Clubhead Speed. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] My total yardage for my 7 iron is 190, my ball speed is 119 mph. They think that a drives are always over 320, which they are not not even close. I think this is very interesting but misleading. But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. Driver 6 Iron Brooks Koepka Related Posts Erik Van Rooyen Driver Numbers Sei Young Pasted as rich text. For example while one pros gap wedge may be 50 another may choose 53 or even 54 for that same gap wedge club and with such a difference in lofts it becomes very difficult to compare with any meaning how far the pros hit the same-named wedge. STEAL THESE FROM ME! That means the par 4s would average 395 yards. Heat treatment This treatment is now applied to the impact areas of the face to increase durability. The wedge glided through the turf and nipped the ball at impact, resulting in reliable soft strikes. Close suggestions Search Search Search Search Clear editor. Sure, I see guys hitting 250-300 yards, but they are far from the norm. get up and down 3 out of the 5 times you miss the green makes all the difference. Their delivery will be erratic and Vokey is a bladed wedge which offers little help in the forgiveness department. Im wondering if there are outliers here?. [/quote] There is nothing worse than getting the club stuck in the ground at impact. Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high I take most info in many sections of this board with a grain of salt. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Skill Triumphs Over All! Elite level Trackman Golf Coaching from Expert & Award winning coaches, Scott and Jamie Howarth. Graeme started playing golf when he was only 4 years old and has loved the game ever since. Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). I didnt start playing until i was 31 and it was over by 42 yet my handicap was 12. [quote]I don't measure my driver distance. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. Foley was talking about him hitting 8-9* down when playing his stinger. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. Smash Factor 1.475 Taylormade Spider X Chalk SS. [/quote] me too! Its important to know what grass you play, what course you play (be it links or parkland) and how you deliver the club at impact (steep or shallow). we never play for money. The plan is to include this type of information within TrackMan University in the future, but that is likely many months away at this point. Instead, its mostly situational. It's good for some laughs. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021), link to What Driver is Most Used On the PGA Tour? How can that be true. And that was 12 years ago. My SM8 wedges are a few years old and have played over the recommended 75 rounds. I think the average student that I ask tells me that a tour player hits a 6 iron 220 yards. WebReport PP - Read online for free. I don't measure my driver distance either. [/quote] I must say to the trap draw crowd, Justin Thomas isn't hitting trap draws while winning tournaments on the PGA Tour. He doesn't have the luxury of yfvp ~ AnFVS0Y")Mb@3PNm[GVI=! I am still unsure of how a higher handicapper can benefit as much other than having higher bounce in a wedge. I figured that out years ago based on hole distance and yardage to the flag after my tee shot. That's what I think. Other top articles related to this topic: Graeme Hay is the owner of GolfingFocus.com. This site is owned and operated by Add That Little Extra Limited, a private limited company whose registered office is in London, UK. I think those numbers are a little high. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] I think you wish you hit it further. [/quote] Either way I don't care. The average USGA handicap for male golfers has been between 14.0 and 15.0 since 2005. It's not the length that makes a pro. I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho M2, maybe 915 FD 913 HD 712u 3 714 AP2 4-p SM5 53, 59 Circa62 knock it close Advanced Members 6.2k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted Short hitter compared to the average WRXer Hamish777, March 26, 2013 in WRX Club Techs. RJ, What was the actual value of swing speed group 115 mph+, since it shows 0%. It's the short game. How many times do you see TV reporting driving distance on an uphill into the wind hole? They were measured with GPS. [quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1364385234' post='6705065'] Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: It makes the head look a little rounder, but Vokey has done a great job of disguising this weight distribution at address. RocketBladez Tour 4-PW // C-Taper This philosophy has been a revelation to me. Spin Rate 2,645.8 [/quote] <>stream Add Driving Distance by Analyzing the Worlds Longest Driver! Justin is that really you?? Dont think they ever release that stuff. It takes persistence and painstaking practice to regularly do drills designed to help improve your swing speed, not to mention the constant measuring to ensure you are in fact improving your swing speed. Dear friend, do anyone here user Taylormade RSI 1 Irons. Justin Thomas is one of the most exciting and popular golfers on the PGA TOUR. As you can see, 45% have a club speed between 91 and 100 mph., The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. You can check the combine driver stats here: https://mytrackman.com/#combine. What is fascinating also though as you dig more into the figures is the distance control options the best players in the world have with almost every club in their bag! The 58 is versatile in shot options and with the change of grind from D to M I had an increase in performance. Apex Height 112' 11" Please limit the number of items and requests. Shafts: KBS Tour 125 S+, Wedges: TaylorMade Milled Grind 3 (50-09SB, 54-11SB, 60-08LB) When looking at how the AMA performs, lets start with the drive. I was advised to switched to the 8 bounce as my impact is shallower than when I was previously fitted for my SM8s. For example for a 170 yard shot into the green a quick glance at his iron yardages shows he could decide to play either a three-quarter 8-iron or try to hit a 9-iron as far as he can his max distance for that club. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] also his AoD on the stinger. My spin dropped 500 rpm on average and my flight favoured the left side. The strike felt tight knit and the spin was better than my SM8 52 degree wedge. Im 46 years old and dont think my 95 mph swing speed will increase that dramatically without throwing rhythm off. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] Too many people walking around either who hit one drive at 300 a round and the rest slice 100 yards that only go 200 straight trying to tell people how great they are at golf when in reality they take like 6 mulligans a round or guys that are actually really good think that they are the norm when in reality they are a small minority and golf would not even exist if it were not for guys like me . That's what I think. I blame it on TV coverage. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. I stressed this to my fitter - make sure you talk to them about your golf as they are only seeing a small sample of your game. I appreciate that. FULL GUIDE By Age, Handicap etc. 2 vs 3 vs 4 Hybrid Distances, How Far Should I Hit My Irons? Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. This is really intersting reading and I could not agree more with the finding your distance principal. Although there is a slow trend towards improvement, many in the golf industry wonder why progress has not been faster. Of course touring pros are way better than everyone at all facets of the gamethat's why they're out making millions while a bunch of us have idiotic debates over the Internet. [/quote] I prefer 120-160 yards, so I try my best to play to that yardage on par 4's. [quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1364385234' post='6705065'] The challenge is, improving your distance is a slow and arduous process. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. All too many golfers go to the course and hit every shot in the hope its the best shot theyve ever hit. In my experiences wedges can be the least searched review on YouTube and some of the worst fitting processes. These high-level numbers of course dont always tell the whole story as the pros like us are faced with an infinite variety of golf shots which dont always mean they are hitting each club as far as they possibly can for every shot. [/quote] The questions you ask are great questions, but unfortunately that data is not readily available. Thanks. Titleist fitting last summer at my home course. I think you wish you hit it further. So just to confirm what we are indeed up against we took a detailed look at just how far the top pros are hitting their clubs. WebBut he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. On average pros drive the ball a total of 296.6 yards (yds) according to official PGA Shotlink data. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Ha, okay. Well I certainly feel hood about how I played when i did. [/quote] Whatever helps you sleep at night my friend. It's good for some laughs. Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. Can anyone give me any insight of what all these numbers mean? Simmer down, all. People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. Jordan Spieth whats in the bag accurate as of the Presidents Cup. Can i play a pro v1, or a harder ball I wont more distance KIND regards Rene Claeys Ren. [Note If you are interested in what drivers and fairway woods the top 100 PGA Tour players are using check out the in-depth analysis we have done here.]. They make me giddy and want to practice my short game all the time. Artisan MT Grind (58) DG S400 The facts are in front of us at instructors, now we must help convey your points to the masses. Including a personal best one under 35 for nine. To find a TrackMan Certified coach, please see our locator: trackmangolf.com/locator. 5 0 obj I would say probably is bs. After reading this article I did more research and discovered I should be playing nearly 1200 yards shorter, and doing so without shame. Finally, course strategy is an improvement that can be made without having to change anything relating to the swing, technique, or other physical items. Im a baseball coach who plays golf when I can. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer For as long as I can remember Vokey have been the top wedge brand in golf. A Step by Step Guide, Acceleration Graph of Hips, Chest, Arms, and Clubhead in a Pro Golf Swing. He is traditional in what he wants the wedge to look like. How Far Does a 3 Wood vs 5 Wood Go? Trackman golf terms: What Trackman results mean Club head speed: Club head speed is the speed that the club head is traveling at when it makes impact with the ball.
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