Thank you for your reply. M42 winter camo. WW1 US AEF Unit Flashed Brodie Combat Helmet & Liner - $612.65. The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. Consequently the Infantry Board resumed its experiments to produce a new design. Accordingly, the American government purchased hundreds of thousands of Brodie helmets from the British as a stop-gap measure. The Advanced Combat Helmet, the current combat helmet used by the U.S. Army, was included (size large, denoted ACH) for comparison to current combat helmets. F Thomas Firth and Sons Sheffield 1916 1918, FS Thomas Firth and Sons, Sheffield sept. 1915 1919, HS Hadfields Ltd. jan. Sheffield 1916 1919, BS W Beardmore & Co. Ltd. jan. 1916 1919, A Edgar Allen and Co.Sheffield Ltd 1916 1918, HH Harrison Bros. & Howson Ltd. dec. 1915. Itsin rough shape and I have yet to find a manufacture/heat stamp. NPH I suppose your cousins in the US would call it Tommy helmet the Germans went for salad bowl. var daym=mydate.getDate() WW1 US AEF Unit Flashed Brodie Combat Helmet & Liner 374540440490 I'm posting them as quick as I can wrap them up, Haven't tweeted in a while. I find the M1 an excellent helmet when properly adjusted. Here's a list of WW2 American Helmet Liner Makers. Imperial Russian Adrian helmet. Welcome to the forum, the helmet looks British made and dates from 1916/17 period, it may have had a donut ring but with out the liner to hold, it in place it's gone missing. $3,000. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. He worked at the Houses of Parliament (I cant quite remember what position he held but I will ask my step father tomorrow) and he was good friends with Sir Winston Churchill and attended various dinners with him, one of which we have the original letter and menu for. The liner should be afixed in the helmet using a single copper rivet that is peened. Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' Me and a mate found. It continued in use through the relatively peaceful years of the 1920s and when war loomed again in the late 1930s it was still in use. WW1 Canadian British CEF BEF Brodie Helmet & Liner. Original WWII British Brodie Steel Helmet in OD Green- WW2 Dated $114.95 400 sold ORIGINAL WWII BRITISH / CANADIAN 1941 HELMET $49.88 $18.00 shipping WW2 Canadian Dispatch Rider Helmet $149.00 0 bids $22.80 shipping 5d 17h Antique World War 2 British Brodie Helmet WW2 $44.00 0 bids $13.30 shipping 3d 11h or Best Offer Please consider supporting our videos on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/simplehistoryThe British Helmet in World War IJohn L. Brodie had invented and patente. The Brodie helmet is a steel combat helmet designed and patented in London in 1915 by Latvian inventor John Leopold Brodie (Latvian: Leopolds Janno Braude).A modified form of it became the Helmet, Steel, Mark I in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the US. 2nd Bn. Thanks for the video, i will show my step father and see if he can recognise his dad, I would think this is more likelyto be lettering on a Civil Defence unit helmet than Home Guard. Specification. Similarly, the cap, when turned upside down, could be used for everything from a bowl for eating to a washbasin for shaving and rinsing to a miniature bucket. I helmet was made up of 12 percent manganese. Here is an image ( sorry for bad quality) There are 3 letters painted on the front i think it could be either one of these combinations: Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. "Foyle." dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. View detail. dailyinfo[30]=' B/469 Worker Charles BARLOW Australian Munition Worker who died 30/01/1918 NORTH SHEEN CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The British Mark I has a rubber ring sometimes called adoughnut sewn between two pieces of wool in the base of the helmet dome. H.M.S. In fact they all look the same to me apart from the liners 5 seconds on the google http://thebrodiehelmet.weebly.com/. In total the steel cap, liner and the accoutrements such as the chinstrap weighed 2.85 pounds or 1.29 kgs. $11295 It's easy! Worchester Pressed Steel Co - Worchester - Massachusetts. I think I have read it is thought to be another mark of Firth and sons, but that make no reason for the K. I think it is quite a common mark though. Accordingly the main actors in the war quickly began developing new headgear. Sign up for a new account in our community. The Brodie helmet was designed by John Leopold Brodie, a Lithuanian entrepreneur and inventor who had first made his fortune working the gold and diamond mines of South Africa in the 1890s and 1900s and had then moved to Britain. Leinster Regiment who died 27/02/1918 JERUSALEM MEMORIAL Israel and Palestine (including Gaza) ' Paste as plain text instead, There are 3 letters painted on the front i think it could be either one of these combinations: The following is an identification guide for vintage military helmets of Spain. the problem is that, all the war time services such as the ARP, NFS, and various Civil Defence Units as well as the Home Guard all were. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. Easiest well to tell if the shell is Brit or US is by how the chin strap bails are held in place. By this time a number of additional changes had been introduced to the rim design and the helmet was now known as the Mark I. // Stop Define Variables for days of the month This list is on going if you know of any more please let us know. Though I do not know the code for the manufacturers. Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet, Tommy helmet, or Tin Hat, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. The sellers description may read, American WWI helmet or British WWI helmet. I'll ask about the bail rivets. var fontend = '' (Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press via AP) - 2NHRH10 from Alamy's library of millions of high resolution stock photos, illustrations and vectors. ww1, field, identification, tag, a e wilson, 10th, ambulance. 1st Bn. Although the helmet shells do look the same they do not feel the same. It was superseded by the Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops or PASGT, a combination type of armour consisting of a ballistics vest and a combat helmet. From left to right: A pair of clamped chin straps with male snaps for the parachutist M1 helmet and liner next to a pair of standard infantry chinstrap used from early 1950s to the mid-1970s. That is a nice looking 'Helmet MkII' in remarkably good condition - especially the liner. I am also unsure whether he began workingin Parliament before or after the war, i will be able to tell you tomorrow though. In total approximately seven and a half million Brodies were produced by the British by the time that the First World War came to an end in November 1918. British Nurse Vera Brittain, http://warrelics.eu/forum/helmets/ww1-b met-16128/. During World War 1, the U.S. adopted the Brodie Helmet, also called the British Mark 1. The M1 became the standard issue helmet for American servicemen during the Second World War following the USs entry into the conflict in the aftermath of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour in December 1941. dailyinfo[25]=' 262952 Private Archibald Stanley BURGNEAY 8th Bn. The steel for the M1917 helmets was rolled by the American Sheet and Tin Plate Co and were stamped with a Heat or Lot code, The helmet liners were made by 10 Shoe Manufacturing Company's, the shells and liners would be delivered to the. dailyinfo[1]=' Staff Nurse Edith Mary CAMMACK Associate of the Royal Red Cross, 2nd Class 4th Southern Gen. Hos. Mark 2 Belgian Clone of the British Brodie helmet. There should not be a threaded nut. The first letters representthe company who pressed the helmet. Mar 11, 2023 Confederate Id'd Saber by Haiman, 31st Virginia $2,100. E.G.Budd. G. Budd Manufacturing Co. ), ( ZJ- Marks belong to Columbian Enamelling & Stamping Co. ). You can contact the auctioneer on +353 1 282 6107 for more information. The helmet has been varnished. The two WW1 Brodie Helmets, British and American, are nearly identical. dailyinfo[9]=' Boy SALEH HAJI S.S. TANGISTAN (Swansea).Indian Merchant Service who died 09/03/1915 BOMBAY 1914-1918 MEMORIAL, MUMBAI India ' Will be adding helmets to the page soon, alexanderandsons dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' The British 'Tommy' Now I'd be too bloody lucky if it was a Brodie - but it is interesting nonethless. Original WW1 US English AEF 79th ID British BRODIE M1916 Tommy 79 Helmet. The result in 1940 was the M1, which was effectively an altered version of the M1917. In the photo it looks like it could be surface rust? The helmet was manufactured in just one stamping procedure. WW1 British Brodie Helmet recovered from the SOMME. These original British Brodie helmets were designated the Mk 1 Steel Helmet, and nicknamed after the inventor who designed and patented them in 1915, "John Leopold Brodie". plant of Ford Motor Co of Philadelphia were they were painted and assembled. He said it has a separate rim and a serial number of ZA57. dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. In WW1 Allies: Great Britain, France, USA, etc 1914 - 1918, In Polish Armed Forces - Second Republic (Siy Zbrojne II Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej) 1918-1939, blue brodie helmet(or not) identification, Advice on purchasing a British Military MKII Helmet. And use of the M1 helmet did not end in 1945; far from it. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France ' WW1 Brodie helmet liner and leather chinstrap which contains no harmful materials. Twenty years of peace followed the end of the First World War before another major international conflict broke out. Seaforth Highlanders who died 20/03/1919 BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY Lebanese Republic ' The high temperature of the oven caused the lead based paint to melt briefly before hardening which encapsulated the saw dust particles securing them to the helmets surface. The American bail is made from 12 gauge iron wire. 5min video no sound date 1918 Military helmets manufactured at a factory in USA. I bought aBrodie helmet and I'm not sure from witch war or time the helmet is from. Next to this code there are a series of numbers. Just sold the ARVN ranger helmet. var dailyinfo= new Array(31) There are some small differences though, one being British chinstrap have stamped steel or brass slide buckles while the Americans favored cast steel slide buckles. Thanks Leon21. The British did have an upgrade that was never adopted by the Americans. never received helmet covers while in France. U.S. M2 82nd Airborne Pathfinder Camo. Thanks for the info lads. First thing is to see if you can figure out the unit emblem on the helmet. 309.60 Buy It Now. I don't think FKS has been definitively pinned down, but most sources say it represents Firth & Sons Ltd. (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. When the First World War erupted in the autumn of 1914 all of the major powers were lacking any type of military headgear which could offer effective protection in the face of modern warfare and weaponry. "Orbita." Although to the untrained eye the helmets may look the same, it in the small details where the differences may be observed. British helmets were brush painted by hand. A Kevlar casque, covered in a sheath of pale-brown desert camouflage cloth, it has a neoprene olive-drab band around the helmet's lower rim, with the soldier's name embroidered on it in black.. He worked in Eastgate House, Exter. This style of helmet had been in use since the 1st World War and was often colloquially known as the Tommy helmet in the UK or as the Doughboy helmet in the US. Or there are new reproduction liners also on line for sale. The final push in using the Brodie was a variant which was produced in 1936 and which saw widespread service by the Norwegians during the German invasion of their country in the spring of 1940 and by the British Expeditionary Force in France several weeks later. British chinstrap bail The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' Depending on your recommendation and initial read, I may take some light sandpaper to the brim and see what I can find. It also is interesting that the British kept the Brodie Helmet while the US went to the M1 for better protection. worked in or simply that he worked in a department in a parliamentary house, it's speculative at best I know ?. Powered by Invision Community, Second World War British Brodie Helmet Identification, Helmets- mainly WW2 British and Commonwealth, both Civil Defense and from field service. When separated from the liner, the steel cap could be used for many different things. I need your help to identify this helmet shell. M1 Helmet Identification; Shipping; Sizing; 1-877-862-5245; TOP POTS - DEDICATED TO M-1 HELMET PRESERVATION. Also on the remains of the liner there should also be a date/maker name. April 2, 2014 in http://www.cefresearch.com/phpBB2/index.php, Here is a reply from Roger Lucy, who wrote the book TIN LIDS, "In his article on the Mk.I in Militaria # 6, July, 1994, the British helmet guru, Marcus Cotton, suggests that FKS probably stands for Thos. 14th Bde. whitman75 6 years ago. Few military helmets that have ever been manufactured are as iconic as the Brodie helmet. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Your previous content has been restored. // Stop Define Variables for days of the month The buckle and loop clamps of the initial issue of this chinstrap were painted green. The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. Welcome to the forum SR71, there's not much to go on without it's liner. The helmet was painted a camouflage mix of green, blue and orange, though a variety of alternative colours were also introduced for use in different theatres. In the years after the end of the war the American Infantry Board tested a number of new models, but each of these were deemed to not mark any real improvement on the earlier design. I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. WW2 British Army Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs. HEAT STAMP 626A. 2nd Bn. var year=mydate.getYear() Missing the chinstrap and liner. 1-877-862-5245; Home; Contact; About Us; Why Top Pots; I am not sure if the colour is original, as most pictures shown here are of a lighter green. It wasundoubtedly a welcomerelief from having the helmet constantly bounce up and down on the top of the wearer skull while running across no mans land. If so I know the US Navy used red painted helmets on their ships fordamage control teams. The helmet was rimless and was painted a smooth dark-green color. The A.E.F. on the American helmet they look very crudely overlapped. U.S. M2 Pathfinder camo was particularly favored by members of the 82nd. dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). I'm putting in a picture. Fully restored with river gravel finis The helmet resembles an upside down dishpan or washbasin in that it consists of a bowl-shaped cap and a large uniform brim running around the entire exterior. Lots of exciting helmets coming in the near future. dailyinfo[11]=' Captain Charles Edmund WOOD Mentioned in Despatches Adjt. var year=mydate.getYear() colour is the paint finish of the helmet, in the photo it looks blue/grey ?. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. It was in production already in the summer of 1915 when he was issued with his patent, but it would quickly evolve into a new design in the autumn as some deficiencies in the original were quickly removed and improvements were introduced. The helmet is an American M1917 made for the American Expeditionary Force, but very few made it to, The stamp mark on the helmet looks like ZC 3 which is thought to belong to the Edward. The Brodie had also been employed in this way by the British in the inter-war period. Middlesex Regiment who died 25/02/1921 LADYWELL CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Significantly, over 400,000 Brodies were sold to the United States for use in France after they joined the war in April 1917. I'm thinking the lettering could refer to a department he possibly. I'm sorry I don't have the answer to your question, but (and I apologise profoundly for what follows) - what's this about another Great War Forum? the corners been cut off, can't make out the shape in the photo. Developed by John L. Brodie, the Model 1915 "Brodie" helmet, also known as the "Tommy" helmet, was the first steel helmet introduced to British soldiers during WW1. Your previous content has been restored. June 9, 2018 in Welcome to the Treasure Bunker Forum - Please feel free to join and share your knowledge, with our growing data base of collectors and historians, both new and advanced. With New Vegas, I luckily was able to use the NCR Trooper Helmet, but there is no helmet like that in this game. It could resist a shot from a pistol fired at it from point blank range. Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. The story, for many years I wanted a bog standard WW2 Cdn pattern helmet for my collection, mainly a display piece. UK. This differed from the British helmet, as the Mk. You can post now and register later. This difference along is enough identify the origin of the helmet. FOR SALE! The last issue chin strap was introduced in FM 21-15 by 1972 . leon21 Regards, Paul. dailyinfo[26]=' Chaplain 4th Class The Rev. dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm ' By Brodie Helmet ID? dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' crewnail 2 years ago. Over time this would nullify any anti-reflective properties the finish possessed thus putting the wearing in danger. Royal Navy who died 15/03/1917 CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL United Kingdom ' He worked in WhiteHall prior to the war as a chartered surveyor. We offer a 100% return policy. "We Cannot Always Buy What We Want, But We Buy What We Can". By Similarly other late entrants into the war such as Portugal relied on supplies of the Brodie to protect the heads of their troops. if (year < 1000) year+=1900 The British effort to do so would result in the Brodie. Good, they are MK II lugs, so that puts it in theWW2 period. The Brodie has been described by the Imperial War Museum as "a masterpiece of simple design", while militaria expert Martin Pegler calls it "the most instantly recognisable symbol of the British Tommy", although most troops would not have referred to it by by the same name. In early 1915, Schwerd completed a study of head wounds that were the result of trench warfare and submitted a recommendation for steel helmets. America ended up purchasing roughly 400,000 Brodie helmets from the British and produced over 2,700,000 M1917 helmets by the war's end. Capac = Capac Manufacturing Co - Michigan. First questions and then the story. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. Brodie helmets - How to identify By depaor01 4 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia depaor01 Old Sweats 2.2k Location:Dublin, Ireland Posted 4 January , 2013 Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. Hi J.H.E. A later study at the end of the Second World War would show that approximately 54% of bullets which hit the M1 of servicemen in Europe and the Pacific failed to penetrate the helmet. By knowing about a few small details the buyer will never make the mistake of purchase the wrong helmet. The shape of the shell tells me its WWI manufacter. English: The "Brodie" shrapnel helmet was the flat steel helmet worn by British Empire troops in the first and second world wars, and U.S. troops in World War I. Both manufacturers stamped their helmets with a two to four-digit number followed by a letter, but Schlueter also stamped an 'S' beneath their heat stamps. ", You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Category. I suppose it also is one of the images of the start of WWII for the US with forces in the Pacific wearing it while under Japanese attack at Wake Island and Pearl Harbour. The resulting product, which was ready for mass production in 1917, was the M1917, the direct predecessor of the M1. and Gen. Hos. Why I speak of our Canadian Great war forumyou know, us Canadians? The story, for many years I wanted a bog standard WW2 Cdn pattern helmet for my collection, mainly a display piece. The series of number which follow the manufacture mark is a heating lot number used by the factory in the manufacturing process. I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. I looked around and could not find any listings for that steel maker. My reply to to that collector is below "If the Brodie Red stamp has the words "patent applied" then it's pre pre Aug 1916 , post Aug 1916 stamps were marked "patent no.1 18 03/16". and 34th Coy. Royal Engineers who died 31/01/1919 COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY Germany ' Clment. When the helmets are viewed side by side it is easy to see why so many people confuse one for the other. document.write;
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