Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. Thanks for being transparent that these comments are nearly all from a union organizing push before the airline even launches. All rights reserved. No Per Diem. Hey. I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. And, it's not clear if they get health insurance as part-time employees. At least, I can't find that information. What Are Redeye Flights? 1) Free Housing! Breeze knows this. Generous contracts of yesteryear reflect a pre-COVID world that is nothing like the current situation. Even liberal-minded folks who support workers grow to hate the rhetoric surrounding unions and union actions. Yeah.let us be honest.A 25 year veteran flight attendant is not someone most of us want on a flight. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. The most important sentence in this article is this the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options. I am over the moon thrilled! Or maybe the extension to San Francisco's Oakland Bay Bridge, built entirely in China, shipped across the ocean in pieces, and bolted together by 100% American union labor for a living wage. Which means, the flight attendant occupation is DIRECTLY responsible for marketing the company to the public. It is a pity that in this country, health care should fall on the shoulders of an employer or the employee. Ive written in the past about Breezes controversial approach to hiring flight attendants, which requires being enrolled in college and living in company housing. To compare, many carriers guarantee at least 75 hours a month. Nice, new and nonstop. I don't see a huge ad component to revenue, which isn't how he ran JetBlue when he started it in the lowest point of the dotcom bust era. Is there a penalty for leaving early? I know these FA's will not be scheduled for overnight trips. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. I hope it does not come off the ground and if it does, it goes bankrupt after a week. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. Policies. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. We don't really know enough at this point. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. If "older experienced flight attendants" feel somehow entitled to higher pay or don't like the legal work conditions or don't like the fact that being a flight attendant inherently means time away from family, that is not Breeze's problem. Its stated that the role of flight attendants will be part time, as theyll work 15 days per month. By clicking the Send button, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, and to the use of cookies described therein, and you also consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the United States where the level of data protection may be different from that in your country. Of course, I know plenty of poor souls that wont have a choice. I'm willing to bet that they will start service to Tampa. Ben -- one thing that seems to be missing from your calculus and the comments: equity. Not discussed here is the difference between flight hours and duty day. Since most flight attendants are women - it also shows how Neeleman views females. This arrogant capitalist needs to be forced to live in poverty too. When it comes to Breeze Airways, theres good news and bad news. An initial slate of 39 routes across 16. It is a pity that in this country, health care Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. [Well] flash someone a message, Hey, we see youre flying today. 2. There are rules about pilots moonlighting in order to ensure they are properly rested for duty. He learned his trade at the knee of Mitt Romney. Guess if you cannot beat them, whisper sweet anti-mormon cult. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. This is corporate serfdom masquerading as an "opportunity". Breeze vs. JetBlue pilot pay Here's JetBlue's Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying In other words: Not Germany, France, the UK, Japan, no one. Salary; Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time ORF: Breeze Aviation Group: Norfolk, VA: $34K-$53K: Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time PVU: Breeze Aviation Group: Provo, UT: $39K-$60K: Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time TPA: Breeze Aviation Group: Tampa, FL: $33K-$53K: Intern Procurement - Summer 2023: Breeze Aviation . Heres what we can expect from pricing and fees in general: Breeze is launching operations with Embraer 190/195 aircraft, which the airline is leasing for very little. Love! How will Breeze compensate flight attendants? Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? Housing is expensive. Interesting. These skills are essential for them to be able to take the next step in their careers and lives. Students hired by Breeze under the program, however, can only work as flight attendants while they are completing the university course. So theyre going to get experienced pilots (somewhat), that are already typed, with 1K hrs of 121 time (most likely), not have to pay initial or differences training for them, then pay them sh. This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. And Coke Zero, make it a large. AFTER 4 YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS OVER AND CANNOT BE RENEWED. I felt fortunate. And I agree with the fellow poster RE: all very young kids, limited work experience not what Id want in an emergency. Disappointed but not surprised. @Jason -- Sprit is not that profitable, certainly nowhere close to Delta. After taxes and insurance I . Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. I have suggested reestablishing a mandatory retirement age for flight crew and a renaming to inflight first responders. I am over the moon thrilled! I think Breeze will likely be cheaper while SW offers 2 free checked bags. Past Flight Receipts. Dolts.read the whole article. So they only want young, pretty, college girls and completely straight acting College guys? Look down, "Your Highness". Its unfair pay but it is a fun job and these are weird times. The company may credit new hires for any prior active years of service at another Part 121/135 air carrier or at a Mesa-affiliated pilot development program for purposes of calculating years of service for compensation, vacation, and retirement. Not if you wanted good work done. The average salary for Flight Attendant at Breeze Airways in the United States is $19.64 per hour, which is 14% below the national average. I'm sure safety will be first class on Breeze. @samuel. *No insurance provided. anything less than market rate? If you fly anywhere close to a normal schedule, the numbers look brighter. These comments are something else. Spirit passengers, not so much. they are transparent. That sums up who youll be flying behind if you choose to fly on this completely unproven carrier. Even with the limited details we know, its clear Breeze will be different than other airlines, from its approach to hiring flight attendants, to its cost structure, to its fleet. Low fares. The low cost price they originally show you is a scam. Off topic, sorry. Breeze will initially fly 118-seat Embraer 195s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. I know that Breeze is hiring for captain right seat flying, aka the pilot has captain qualifications, but will be flying as first officers until there is enough flying for them to be moved to the left seat. New or retreads? For those who get hired by Breeze in this first round, I would imagine they'd be happy campers in a few years. Our fares are low! It seems their target is laid off pilots from Regionals that either furloughed them or the regionals that went under outright. Will they get pilots? Sorry @john S. my comment was for @Monty C. -. FAs are there for your safety: The younger the FA, the stronger they are. maximum takeoff weight), Must have 500 hours of PIC in large, Group II transport category aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. And its an immediate tip-of-the-hat to what their culture will be based onmoney is king, you dont matter. I think the FAA needs to look into this. And you're worried about the quality of housing? Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. so yes their work force has negotiated rates based on the companies success. less than daily to leisure/small markets. Housing is a huge hurdle for new flight attendants. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. Or the app crashing? Take it easy. your username . Such a shame. This has been the business model of little outfits like this for 30 years. Finally, an "internship" employment model has limited potential for growth. Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry. He couldn't pay me $1200 to fly them for a month. I worked as a host at a restaurant for minimum wage in college and didnt make close to $1200/mo and still had full tuition and room/board to pay. There are almost 1000 E175/E190 type rated pilots from ExpressJet and Compass. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. If Breeze employees get stock (I'm no insider but assume they will), and Breeze succeeds, they stand to make up later in capital gains potentially much more than they forego today in ordinary income. Love it! The race to the bottom continues. This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. So, before any taxes at all, they would be looking at $20-30/hr. Breeze will hire the lowest time, least skilled pilots begging for their first "jet job", just like all the regionals do. What does the department of labor think about this? No per diem or overnight trips means you can forget about exploring any new cities (not that you could afford to do anything in another city anyway). Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. Then, when mainline hiring picks-up (as it inevitably will) they'll dump Breeze like a cheap date. ), what most likely happened after you got your paralytic and your anesthesia is some slightly tired, fresh-face resident came in to practice his/her craft on you. . I am quite happy Doctor Kendor didn't get too comfortable in some cushy union-enabled physical therapy gig offering an artificial pay scale and relentlessly reinforcing an artificial sense of self-importance. When I spoke to Utah Valley Univ recruiters they hinted heavily the program was designed for the under 25 crowd. There's a good chance that well-spoken, polished, and slightly tired surgeon you call "doctor", who has "MD" on their snappy-looking business card, and who so patiently listens to all of your ailments and deep thoughts about dizziness and tinnitus is a resident physician, AKA an intern. share. You should be too. Age of planes? Does the fact that all FA positions are, looking at the website, classified as "part-time" allow them to avoid paying for health insurance? I'll have fries with that, thanks. Criticizing workers for lack of professional ambition is part of our toxic "professional achievement & success, income as identity" culture, especially where there are so many ways to live fulfilling lives that are not defined by constant growth of income. However, if there's a recovery in airlines and given there was a shortage of pilots before I'm not sure this pay scale is going to last full time. That's the Breeze way. At those rates, retention will be a huge problem. Breeze Does it Better Our Perks Straight to the point. Just wondering if there will be many legal challenges here? Split a very inexpensive room with one or two others and have a fun time. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. I don't know if they will succeed, but credit them for thinking outside the box. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. Mar 23, 2022 But after all these furloughed guys get hired, who then? Maybe its just SPS. If not the airplane no flight. more like the lived way of another religious group who is willing to do ANYTHING to keep control in place, . I wish you luck in you career and travels. I think at a pay rate of $1,200 a month, most of their flight attendants will come from A Handmaids Tale! Welcome! Site Support. I suppose they could be selling the dream of having high seniority at the airline as it grows, with hope of better pay in the future, but. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Just as the cure for high prices, are high prices, the cure for low wages, are low wages. @Wendy B Gates - Breeze didn't specifically tell me I'm too old, they said I was overqualified. What do you make of these Breeze insights? As for the FA's..they will definitely be lined up around the block for a job like this with those benies. Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? Word is Allegiant about to get a TA/contract that surpasses our own in pay, benefits etc. Our business address is: Maybe there are ancillary benefits/travel privileges' that are enormously valuable to some people. These comments are something else. No other large country trains and hires their airline pilots the way we do. In the past, he has always favored taking care of his employees. I will never fly them, nor will I encourage anyone to work for them or fly them, until they pay real, market rates. I think they are going to offer a lot of things people actually might want to pay for, deliver them speedily and in a high quality way, and make it attractive to buy multiple products. I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. 2) housing: I am curious what housing? Pre-Order now!Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941Highly detailed diecast pre-finished collector model airplane. D. Delta Echo Well-Known Member. Anyone with a college degree need not apply to be a flight attendant, while the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options pay is roughly on par with regionals, while requirements are significantly higher. Would much rather have spent my time working for peanuts high in the sky, and jetting to interesting places. It gets so tiresome. You could sit around half a day, everyday, and not get paid for it. Im sure theyd leap at the chance to earn USD given the depreciation of the R$. I could not afford to live in SFO and couldn't find another crashpad with openings unless I hot racked. Good luck with that. While perhaps not quite as controversial, Breezes approach to hiring pilots is also raising some eyebrows, as flagged by @StringAndRuder and @AirlineFlyer. NB: there's a pilot shortage. 1) Free Housing! The good news is that the hourly wages are above-average. Expect PGD, IAG, SFB, ORH, RFD, PIT and to change seasonally. Maybe Breeze will also supply its people with high-end meals, as Microsoft and Google provides its extremely well-compensated developer workforce. Over time, these airplanes are to be swapped out with Airbus A220s. Eight hours plus. The corporate-provided housing actually sounds like an appealing thing for many college students. And even if you talked endlessly to that reassuring gray-haired physician in the lead-up to your surgery, you know, the guy or gal who wrote the textbook on your ailment and who appears a shoe-in to be the next chairman of the school of medicine at the cutting-edge research institution where you've opted to get the very best care (you deserve it! I would have jumped at this deal in college. However, in reality thats not hugely different than the schedules that flight attendants work at other airlines full time. Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. Joined APC: Jan 2006. 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! But how does this affect pay for pilots? Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. That's open, unabashed exploitation of skilled labor in an (only temporary) downtown. Contract of Carriage. High Flex. This is a disappointment in many ways. You think this college student focused recruit is the only thing they've planned for beyond the short term? No guests. Certainly in today's world that is a luxury. Bottom line: Supply and Demand principles are at play. For a certain person, this could be an ideal job. In the meantime, if you don't like the pay, go see if another airline is hiring. All around me were developers making millions of dollars of year in salary and stock options, and there was little old me, paid hourly making about $28,000 a year in an expensive city.
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